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At Least Nine Demonstrators Arrested as Iraq Vets Try to Enter Final Presidential Debate

By Alex Kane
October 16, 2008 | Posted in IndyBlog | Email this article
Photo by Jamie Lehane
Photo by Jamie Lehane
HEMPSTEAD, N.Y.–As millions of Americans were readying their television sets to tune into the final presidential debate between John McCain and Barack Obama, a much different scene was unfolding outside of Hofstra University in Hempstead, NY where the debate took place.

At least five members of Iraq Veterans Against the War
(IVAW), a group of military veterans who are calling for immediate withdrawal from Iraq, were arrested, as well as at least four civilians, according to National Lawyers Guild observers.  Nassau County police on horses trampled one member of IVAW, Nick Morgan, a veteran who served in Iraq from Feb. 2004-2005.  Morgan was knocked to the ground, and according to witnesses, the horse hooves slammed down on his face. A gash was visible on the side of his head as blood dripped down onto the pavement.

Photo by Ally
Photo by Ally
Protesters in the crowd said that Morgan was taken to a local hospital.

“The horses were pushing, like really pushing, against [members of IVAW], and physically touching their bodies,” says Erika Ward, an NYU student and intern at Democracy Now!  “To see people laying on the ground…was crazy.  For me, it was really emotional, [and] I saw people crying,” she continued.

AT THE HEMPSTEAD STATION

The protest began slowly, with about 70 anti-war activists rallying at a parking lot nearby the Hempstead train station.  Speakers included a member of the New York Civil Liberties Union, a local civil rights advocate, a Military Families Speak Out activist and a member of the May 1st Coalition for Immigrant and Worker Rights.  As more activists from the NYC area poured in, the march to the campus of Hofstra started, with defiant chants of “Stop the torture, stop the war, this is what we’re fighting for,” and “They’re our brothers, they’re our sisters, we support war resisters!” filling the streets of Hempstead.

With IVAW members at the front, the crowd swelled to around 400 demonstrators.  Members of the local Planned Parenthood joined in along the way.  At one point, as the antiwar march neared the campus, a group of ten members of the Gathering of Eagles, a conservative pro-war organization, heckled the demonstrators.  They shouted epithets like “traitor” and “treasonous” at the Iraq veterans.

The troops have “been promised so much…it’s important for IVAW to have a voice,” says Chelsea Florio, a freshman at Fordham University and a member of the Fordham Anti-War Coalition.
The members of IVAW, backed by a crowd of anti-war protesters, were allowed to pass through one line of police before they were met with lines of Nassau County riot police and cops on horses who would not allow the veterans to enter  the Hofstra campus.  IVAW members Matthis Chiroux and Kris Goldsmith, who organized the protest, went first and were promptly arrested.  At least three other veterans and four civilians followed and were arrested as well.

The arrests seemed to energize the crowd, and as they chanted, “Let them in,” it looked as if things could easily get out of hand.

The police on horses pushed back against the crowd, which was fronted by a group of about 15 Iraq veterans, until the demonstrators had been moved onto a nearby sidewalk.

After a tense standoff for five minutes, it looked like the police in riot gear shoved veterans and demonstrators to push them even further back, and around four people were knocked over by riot police and horses.  It was during this fracas that Morgan was injured. After the police assault, a standoff between the cops and demonstrators occurred for over an hour.

A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS

A week ago, Chiroux, who this past May publicly declared his intent to refuse to deploy to Iraq, sent a letter to CBS debate moderator Bob Scheiffer spelling out the demands of IVAW.  Chiroux’s letter demanded that two members of IVAW, himself and Goldsmith, be allowed entry into the debate to ask Senators Obama and McCain one question each.  CBS or Schieffer did not respond to the letter from Chiroux.

“What yourself and the candidates must decide now, Mr. Schieffer, is what the legacy of this debate will be.  Will this be remembered as an event where both sides of the [aisle] and the media came together to hear from our nation’s heroes…or will the words and promises of both candidates be forever shrouded in the image of a host of uniformed veterans and their supporters going to jail because these campaigns cared too little to hear from them?” Chiroux’s letter read.

“Our goal is to make Iraq and veterans the forefront of the debate,” said Goldsmith.

Chiroux planned on asking Obama a pointed question:  “My question is, as President of the United States of America, are you prepared to back up your own words [about the illegality of the Iraq War] and the U.S. Constitution by supporting service members refusing to participate in what you describe as an illegal occupation?”

Goldsmith wanted to ask McCain a question about his lack of support for veterans.  “What promises are you willing to make, as a veteran, as a senator, as a presidential candidate, to the veterans of the United States, to prove that you will ensure the V.A. is fully funded, staffed and capable of preventing troops from suffering as they are now?” he says.

With the crowd emotionally exhausted and worn down, the protest started to taper off at about 8:30 PM.

“We have a blind media [and] deaf candidates, but [IVAW] has a voice that will be heard,” James Gilligan, a member of IVAW said earlier in the day.

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Previous Indypendent Coverage of the IVAW Protest Outside the Democratic National Convention

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10 Responses to “At Least Nine Demonstrators Arrested as Iraq Vets Try to Enter Final Presidential Debate”

AwiroS Says:

All national networks and News 12 LI ignored the press releases and did not cover this event. They don’t want people to know what is really going on. Over 500 people marched through Hempstead, many members of IVAW, STRONG, CODE PINK, WORKPLACE PROJECT, LONG ISLAND ALLIANCE FOR PEACEFUL ALTERNATIVES and many other agencies gathered to deliver THE PEOPLE’S AGENDA…

Thank you Indypendent for covering this event. People need to know that the debates held at Hofstra was more than what people were allowed to see in the news.

EdwinP Says:

So, it’s back to trampling decorated combat vets at home while a needless and clearly illegal war is waged by the U.S. Government in far off lands. When have we seen this before?

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Anonymous Says:

Good reporting.

saxmuntz Says:

Its what Americans have come to expect from our ¨democracy¨. Its been this way for a long time now, and Americans generally seem to have the attitude of If you´re different (in any way), then I do not accept you¨. This is not a nation of the FREE.

Liz Says:

I am unclear as to the reason of arrest… was there confrontation prior to that? As far as I was aware, freedom of speech is protected by the first amendment. (which I realize is gradually being chipped away).. Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. It seems like we have devolved into fascism. And I have no stomach for the lynch mob mentality of the Gathering of Eagles - do they know what patriotism is? Have they read the history of the United States? If there had not been dissent and protesting, they would be swearing allegiance to Britain. All of the positive changes this country has experienced came to pass because people spoke up and protested - civil rights, women’s rights, anti war… I have never served in the military, but I am extremely hurt and insulted that a pro war group could have such little regard for our soldiers (of war and good conscience) and our Constitution. It boggles my mind. How did we become so brainwashed? This Republic is on the brink, and these groups that condemn free speech and dissent are accelerating the deterioration of our great nation of freedom. It is our duty, as patriots, to speak out against this kind of oppression in defense of liberty. To those Gathering of Eagles I say, you were born about 70 years too late - you would have fit in well at the SS!

Alex Kane Says:

Well, the first arrests were of 5 veterans and 4 civilians. That was because they attempted to physically move through the police block to get into the Hofstra University campus because two veterans wanted to ask questions of McCain and Obama.

Those arrests were expected.

But the other 6 or so arrests now being reported were after that fact, in a scuffle when there were cops who charged protesters who were on the sidewalk with horses.

Notorious Kelly Says:

The abuse of citizens may increase to the point where police will have to live in enclaves because they and their families are not safe in the general populace.

I hope police officers don’t view the citizenry they swore to protect as the “other side’, because if police act as enemies of The people, then that is how they will be treated.

Sonny Says:

Our government is producing a new type of police force…. One which is alienated against the citizens and for enforcing the powers of this dictatorial policies of Bush’s government…
Our Constitution no longer exist and it has been reduced to what Bush stated when stealing office in 2001…
Bush a supposedly a Christian believer in democracy ,,, said it would be a heck of a lot easier to run this country if it was a dictatorship ,, as long as he was the dictator….
Bush also make the statement that our constitution was nothing but a “G.. D…” piece of paper and he could do any thing he wishes..
So we now have a dictatorial government and Bush is “THE ONE” and our constitution is nothing but a piece of paper you can wipe … …!!!!!..

Jerm Says:

This story should be page one on all of the newspapers and the lead story on all mainstream media tv. Just like the illegal arrests during the republican national convention should have been.

More at http://ivaw.org/

Robert Says:

did they have tickets? no? then why is it surprising that they wouldn’t be allowed within a certain perimeter of the venue, especially when there are all these hillbillies chanting “kill [obama]” at mccain/palin rallies? hell, i’ll get arrested if i try to walk into a movie theater without a ticket. that’s pretty much been the rule for these things since john wilkes booth, and even he had a ticket.

it seems these folks picked the wrong debate to protest. you guys should have pulled this at that sham “town hall” meeting, which was boring and could’ve used a bit of this energy. the fact of the matter is that the questions for this event were at the discretion of the moderator, not the crowd — and by and large, he did a pretty good job. it’s ridiculous that there wasn’t much focus on iraq, though. i agree.

compared to nader not being let into the 2000 debate — when he had a viable following (not me) — without a ticket, this doesn’t even register.

sorry to hear about the person who got kicked by the horse. hope he recovers quickly!

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